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That new Lathe Smell
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Tool changer doesn't work on my Maho MH600E
I've been trying to get my tool changer to work, but I have serious problems to make it behave as expected.
This is an umbrella style 20 places ATC for vertical only changer. I have HAWE hydraulics, and I have checked it's configured correctly (constant N1110 to C2).
I have initiated it as outlined in the manual (T1 so it finds where tool 1 is). And it rotates until it finds position 1.
But when I try to make it change tool it's not doing what I expect.
It starts to move table to tool change position, OK.
But at the same time it sends the arm outwards (output 12 on the 432 controller), crashing it straight in to the (recently painted) tool door!
It doesn't wait until the table is in position before this, which I would expect it to do (even though it is the wrong move). I mean, it should wait until the table is in position before it starts moving the arm.
But it shouldn't do this function first! I'd expect it to open the door first, right?
Anyone have a clue of what is wrong? I have checked all I can think of.
Anders
This is an umbrella style 20 places ATC for vertical only changer. I have HAWE hydraulics, and I have checked it's configured correctly (constant N1110 to C2).
I have initiated it as outlined in the manual (T1 so it finds where tool 1 is). And it rotates until it finds position 1.
But when I try to make it change tool it's not doing what I expect.
It starts to move table to tool change position, OK.
But at the same time it sends the arm outwards (output 12 on the 432 controller), crashing it straight in to the (recently painted) tool door!
It doesn't wait until the table is in position before this, which I would expect it to do (even though it is the wrong move). I mean, it should wait until the table is in position before it starts moving the arm.
But it shouldn't do this function first! I'd expect it to open the door first, right?
Anyone have a clue of what is wrong? I have checked all I can think of.
Anders
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Maho 1000 - Y axis motor replacement
Hi Guys
We replaced the motor (used motor) and we had a problem with the Y axis on start up, Jogged y axis in negaitve and axis moves continusly up and down without stopping approx 2 inches of travel in both directions. we have also had issues with hydraulic start up, when you turn the hydraulics onit reboots the machine suspect a short, could this have an effect on y-axis?
or it could be the drive?
just wondering if anyone have had the same issue.
thanks in advance.
We replaced the motor (used motor) and we had a problem with the Y axis on start up, Jogged y axis in negaitve and axis moves continusly up and down without stopping approx 2 inches of travel in both directions. we have also had issues with hydraulic start up, when you turn the hydraulics onit reboots the machine suspect a short, could this have an effect on y-axis?
or it could be the drive?
just wondering if anyone have had the same issue.
thanks in advance.
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Saving, and re-loading ' Family Program" to a disk, using FAPT.
Good Afternoon,
Looking for some advice on saving Family Programs from FAPT. Fanuc 15T control.
We have 3 lathes with Fapt on them. I can save a Family Program named ABCDE, concerning say, a part, and the machining definitions and used tooling, to the machine sub-memory. I can re-load that back into FAPT at a later date, no problem.
The issue I am having, is that I have saved that same program to a Fanuc Handy File, and now I cannot re-load it. I have also tried saving it to a remote PC using Cimco Edit software, which I use to save G-code from various machines. If i look at the code from the HF or the Cimco, the characters are the same.
I have the Fanuc operators manual, and I am using the B and C commands that it calls out to use (Example; 1,B INPUT@ABCDE) to change a parameter to allow read/write to a cassette.
I am thinking that i am doing something slightly wrong; if I try to re-load from the HandyFile, the HF will say "excecuting", and then the control on the lathe will come up with a "I/O ERROR..
Have any of you used the family program in this way? I appreciate any ideas or comments.
Best Regards,
Red
Looking for some advice on saving Family Programs from FAPT. Fanuc 15T control.
We have 3 lathes with Fapt on them. I can save a Family Program named ABCDE, concerning say, a part, and the machining definitions and used tooling, to the machine sub-memory. I can re-load that back into FAPT at a later date, no problem.
The issue I am having, is that I have saved that same program to a Fanuc Handy File, and now I cannot re-load it. I have also tried saving it to a remote PC using Cimco Edit software, which I use to save G-code from various machines. If i look at the code from the HF or the Cimco, the characters are the same.
I have the Fanuc operators manual, and I am using the B and C commands that it calls out to use (Example; 1,B INPUT@ABCDE) to change a parameter to allow read/write to a cassette.
I am thinking that i am doing something slightly wrong; if I try to re-load from the HandyFile, the HF will say "excecuting", and then the control on the lathe will come up with a "I/O ERROR..
Have any of you used the family program in this way? I appreciate any ideas or comments.
Best Regards,
Red
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Switch Y/Z axis on a Maho 600C with Philips 432-10, 6601.603/06 software
Hi,
I recently upgraded my CPU board on a MAHO 600C and I need to exchange my Y axis with Z axis.
Can someone help me?
I recently upgraded my CPU board on a MAHO 600C and I need to exchange my Y axis with Z axis.
Can someone help me?
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Maho MH400e noisy Z-axis humm when stationary
Hi,
I'm the owner of an Maho MH400e, it's working fine, except the z-axis is emits a quite noisy humm/buzz when stationary. Its annoying and causes unnecessary wear of the motor. I've been able to determine that problem originates from the 3trm2 drive (speed control loop) and not the position control loop. I guess it might have something to do with the ageing of the motors and electronics and that the control parameters in the Indramat need to be retuned. I've been reading the manual and figured out how to retune, but before I start fiddling around with the electronics, I'd like to know if anyone has solved this issue with an indramat 3trm2 before. It could be the case that I'm taking the wrong approach for solving this and retuning the P and I parameters in the 3trm will not solve the humming problem.
Regards,
Mike
I'm the owner of an Maho MH400e, it's working fine, except the z-axis is emits a quite noisy humm/buzz when stationary. Its annoying and causes unnecessary wear of the motor. I've been able to determine that problem originates from the 3trm2 drive (speed control loop) and not the position control loop. I guess it might have something to do with the ageing of the motors and electronics and that the control parameters in the Indramat need to be retuned. I've been reading the manual and figured out how to retune, but before I start fiddling around with the electronics, I'd like to know if anyone has solved this issue with an indramat 3trm2 before. It could be the case that I'm taking the wrong approach for solving this and retuning the P and I parameters in the 3trm will not solve the humming problem.
Regards,
Mike
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Maho 500 w CNC 532 Controler
Hi
I just got a Maho 500W but I am missing sum English manuals, User and operation guide + the programmer.
The machine had claret all the machine parameter due to a defect 6V backup battery, after replays I enter all the parameter manual in it to forever, is it passably to upload the machine parameter over the serial port ?
I have XYZ axis up and running and can run a ref, but the B axis roundtable is not moving.
I hear a lot of noise from the hydraulic pump when moving the B axis, any ide on this ?
I just got a Maho 500W but I am missing sum English manuals, User and operation guide + the programmer.
The machine had claret all the machine parameter due to a defect 6V backup battery, after replays I enter all the parameter manual in it to forever, is it passably to upload the machine parameter over the serial port ?
I have XYZ axis up and running and can run a ref, but the B axis roundtable is not moving.
I hear a lot of noise from the hydraulic pump when moving the B axis, any ide on this ?
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Mori Seiki TL 5 spindle error 26
Hello,
I was wondering if anybody might have any answers for a spindle error problem on a Mori TL 5? It has a Yasnac 2000G control, when I turn on servo power it shows "spindle error 26" on the screen. It has a Mitsubishi DL-SBZ controller. I have sent the spindle control SB-SA card in for repair and it didn't fix it, I have changed out the SB-AX card as well with no luck. Things look pretty normal on the controller, the only LED lit is ZERO SPEED no OVERHEAT or BREAKER TRIP. I have a manual for the control and on the SB-AX card is a small fault relay which is supposed to energize to take away the fault signal to the NC. On the old SB-AX card I popped off the little plastic cover and held in the relay ( sounds ghetto but I'm desperate) the error went away but the spindle still doesn't turn on at all. The manual says check thyristors and fuses and there all good. I spent $600 buck on this spindle controller so far, I found a guy who will sell the whole controller for $800, but sometimes it seems like the problem is on the NC side,maybe a parameter? I would hate to replace the controller and have the same problem.
I was wondering if anybody might have any answers for a spindle error problem on a Mori TL 5? It has a Yasnac 2000G control, when I turn on servo power it shows "spindle error 26" on the screen. It has a Mitsubishi DL-SBZ controller. I have sent the spindle control SB-SA card in for repair and it didn't fix it, I have changed out the SB-AX card as well with no luck. Things look pretty normal on the controller, the only LED lit is ZERO SPEED no OVERHEAT or BREAKER TRIP. I have a manual for the control and on the SB-AX card is a small fault relay which is supposed to energize to take away the fault signal to the NC. On the old SB-AX card I popped off the little plastic cover and held in the relay ( sounds ghetto but I'm desperate) the error went away but the spindle still doesn't turn on at all. The manual says check thyristors and fuses and there all good. I spent $600 buck on this spindle controller so far, I found a guy who will sell the whole controller for $800, but sometimes it seems like the problem is on the NC side,maybe a parameter? I would hate to replace the controller and have the same problem.
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Need file transfer program for CTX 400
Hello, I am looking for a file transfer program, that is not too expensive, that will work with a Windows 7 PC and a Gildemeister CTX400 with Heidenhain Series 2 CNC pilot control.
regards
atr
regards
atr
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Parameter Moriseiki MV 45 B
Hello all. I have Mori MV45B with 11M fanuc control , AC servo drive (Ac control) just dead BMU card , I replace new BMU but now stuck in parameter to setting main spindle. Any ones have this machine please help ,many thank . my email minh2171 @ gmail.com
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Tl 40, msc 518
Hi folks, on this controller how do you change it so that the edit function key can permanently be on? Thanks
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running maho mh600w at home
I am just curious how many maho MH600W is running in home based shop, how many amps @ 240V single phase is needed to run this machine before using electronic 3phase converter
Alpha1
Alpha1
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The "fix your Maho" thread
I'd like to start a thread with tips and tricks to get a Maho mill up and running. The idea is to collect them in one single thread if possible since it's not easy to find what you are searching for here through searching. Most of them is already in this forum, but it's spread out so much that it's dificult to find.
It is solely because of this forum here I'm now finally able to run my mill. And I have come across a fair amount of the normal problems experienced when trying to get it up and running. So I wanted to start off, but I'd like everybody who feels they have a useful hint or tip to contribute.
My mill is of 1990-91 vintage, so my knowledge is from that age machine. But I think most of the problems I have applies for both newer and older machines as well.
I think it will be a good idea to separate the different issues, so I plan on making one post per issue. Here is a list of topics I'd like to cover:
1. Constants. This could possibly even be presented in a thread of its own. A list of different machines constants and such could be given in that thread. That way we would have a library of constants to look at. But a quick intro on the basics of them should be in this thread as well.
2. Communication. How does it work, and what do you do when it doesn’t. A check list of how to get it working is also a good idea. Tips on what hardware to replace is also to be presented.
3. Monitor. It's not straight forward to replace the monitors on these machines because of their low refresh rate. An easy way to fix this is to use a converter. Hints on where to get them and how to use them is next tip.
4. E-stop chain. Hints on how to get a machine out of e-stop. Including how to bypass the ****ing door safety system.
5. Drives. There are really good hints in this forum on how to get a drive working again, and what is their weak points. This is a common problem for these machines as I have learned. So it will be probably be useful for someone with drive problems stopping them from using their machine. Even if it's not a problem now it will probably become a problem in the future as the caps in these do fail quite reliably.....
6. How to get the table up if it is at the bottom. There is an easy way to do this by changing constants only. Doing it mechanically is a nightmare on the y-axis because of access. So it's much more efficient to do it by the constants. And it's not straight forward because of the software limits. A detailed description on how to do this will be presented.
7. Tool changer. An easy way to reset it after something happens during tool change.
8. Electrical schematics. I have made an overview of what component does what in an excel sheet. This has proven to be very helpful during fault searching. This is very machine specific. But there is a system to it, and it might be useful for other machines as well. And it could easily be updated for your own machine if you have the electrical schematics.
9. Hydraulics. Hints and tips on how to know if your hydraulic accumulator is working as it should. And some experiences from fixing the valves.
10. Retrofitting. This is something I haven't done yet. And it is probably also something that I will start a new thread for. The idea is to ditch the 432 controller only, and leave the rest as it is. The stone age interface and lack of hand pendant, proper override controls and limited memory (with the need for DNC) along with only RS232 communication and stuff like that is getting on my nerve. I'd rather not spend years to learn an aincent system like that. I'd rather spend the effort on replacing it, even with one with only similar capabilities as far as machining goes. Replacing it this way should be easy enough, the hard part being back engineering the ladder logic needed to replicate some of the logic functions. All hardware interfacing are easily accomplished with Mesa hardware in LinuxCNC. But more on this in a separate thread when I get around to start that work.
If anyone feels like they have a hint or tip that would be a good thing for someone trying to get a Maho mill up and running please contribute. But I'd like to keep this thread a quick and easy place for accessing info needed for this. So please try to sick to the topic and present hints and tips only in this thread to keep it clean and easy to search through.
Anders
It is solely because of this forum here I'm now finally able to run my mill. And I have come across a fair amount of the normal problems experienced when trying to get it up and running. So I wanted to start off, but I'd like everybody who feels they have a useful hint or tip to contribute.
My mill is of 1990-91 vintage, so my knowledge is from that age machine. But I think most of the problems I have applies for both newer and older machines as well.
I think it will be a good idea to separate the different issues, so I plan on making one post per issue. Here is a list of topics I'd like to cover:
1. Constants. This could possibly even be presented in a thread of its own. A list of different machines constants and such could be given in that thread. That way we would have a library of constants to look at. But a quick intro on the basics of them should be in this thread as well.
2. Communication. How does it work, and what do you do when it doesn’t. A check list of how to get it working is also a good idea. Tips on what hardware to replace is also to be presented.
3. Monitor. It's not straight forward to replace the monitors on these machines because of their low refresh rate. An easy way to fix this is to use a converter. Hints on where to get them and how to use them is next tip.
4. E-stop chain. Hints on how to get a machine out of e-stop. Including how to bypass the ****ing door safety system.
5. Drives. There are really good hints in this forum on how to get a drive working again, and what is their weak points. This is a common problem for these machines as I have learned. So it will be probably be useful for someone with drive problems stopping them from using their machine. Even if it's not a problem now it will probably become a problem in the future as the caps in these do fail quite reliably.....
6. How to get the table up if it is at the bottom. There is an easy way to do this by changing constants only. Doing it mechanically is a nightmare on the y-axis because of access. So it's much more efficient to do it by the constants. And it's not straight forward because of the software limits. A detailed description on how to do this will be presented.
7. Tool changer. An easy way to reset it after something happens during tool change.
8. Electrical schematics. I have made an overview of what component does what in an excel sheet. This has proven to be very helpful during fault searching. This is very machine specific. But there is a system to it, and it might be useful for other machines as well. And it could easily be updated for your own machine if you have the electrical schematics.
9. Hydraulics. Hints and tips on how to know if your hydraulic accumulator is working as it should. And some experiences from fixing the valves.
10. Retrofitting. This is something I haven't done yet. And it is probably also something that I will start a new thread for. The idea is to ditch the 432 controller only, and leave the rest as it is. The stone age interface and lack of hand pendant, proper override controls and limited memory (with the need for DNC) along with only RS232 communication and stuff like that is getting on my nerve. I'd rather not spend years to learn an aincent system like that. I'd rather spend the effort on replacing it, even with one with only similar capabilities as far as machining goes. Replacing it this way should be easy enough, the hard part being back engineering the ladder logic needed to replicate some of the logic functions. All hardware interfacing are easily accomplished with Mesa hardware in LinuxCNC. But more on this in a separate thread when I get around to start that work.
If anyone feels like they have a hint or tip that would be a good thing for someone trying to get a Maho mill up and running please contribute. But I'd like to keep this thread a quick and easy place for accessing info needed for this. So please try to sick to the topic and present hints and tips only in this thread to keep it clean and easy to search through.
Anders
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New glass scale on my MHAO 500W
Hi,
I hat to change on of the glass scale on my MHAO 500W 532 CNC Controller.
Have do I adjust the 532 controller to the new scale ??
Or adjust the scale to fit the number in the 532 controller parameter list ??
Tangs for you support
CNC45
I hat to change on of the glass scale on my MHAO 500W 532 CNC Controller.
Have do I adjust the 532 controller to the new scale ??
Or adjust the scale to fit the number in the 532 controller parameter list ??
Tangs for you support
CNC45
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Dmu 50 questions need help
Can anyone break down the tapping cycle for me? Also is it possible to control the feed of movements in the c and b axis?
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MillPlus Ethernet Connection
Greetings all! Trying to get my 1999 DMU80P with MillPlus (ver. 410) connected to a windows 7 PC via Ethernet. Anybody done this successfully using the tcpip.cfg file? Any succesful NFS transfers from windows using CNC Data Station or other NFS server for windows? Any help would be appreciated...
Thanks in advance..
Thanks in advance..
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MORI MV45 tool changer quit working
So I replace the seals in the hydraulic cylinder that operates the tool changer.
Its a 1986 machine ,Yasnac mx2 controller.
The tool changer operates using the M codes in maintenance mode.but does nothing with a M6.
M6 worked before I replaced the seals. ANY suggestions?
Thanks .
Its a 1986 machine ,Yasnac mx2 controller.
The tool changer operates using the M codes in maintenance mode.but does nothing with a M6.
M6 worked before I replaced the seals. ANY suggestions?
Thanks .
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Ctx 310
I'm running one of these are work and there is a loud clicking noise coming from the rear of the spindle only does it when turning CCW. No clock wise. Anyone had this problem before?
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Mori/Ellison gyroscope unlocking
Hi there,
Came across this wonderful forum hoping to solve or at least understand my issue.
Our company had purchased 8 Mori's (NV5000A's) and recently we've moved the assets to another plant.
We were told that in order to get the machines operable we needed to have Ellison come out and unlock the machines.
We've been told by Mori that this is a new requirement of the US government and that all future machine mfg's are moving to this. Have any of you heard of such rubbish and has anyone found a work around.
We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them. Due to some business changes, we want to move the machines around the shop floor to reconfigure our machining cell however as we've done more research, we've found that there is a small board in the electrical panel of the machine that houses a gyroscope so that if the machine is moved/tilted, it will lock out the machine.
We've made numerous calls to Mori and they refuse to give us the access codes to unlock them or bypass them.
Machining is not new to us. We have many types in our shop. Makino, Brother, Fadal, Okuma and now the Mori's however these Mori's are the only machines that have this lock out circuit.
Came across this wonderful forum hoping to solve or at least understand my issue.
Our company had purchased 8 Mori's (NV5000A's) and recently we've moved the assets to another plant.
We were told that in order to get the machines operable we needed to have Ellison come out and unlock the machines.
We've been told by Mori that this is a new requirement of the US government and that all future machine mfg's are moving to this. Have any of you heard of such rubbish and has anyone found a work around.
We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them. Due to some business changes, we want to move the machines around the shop floor to reconfigure our machining cell however as we've done more research, we've found that there is a small board in the electrical panel of the machine that houses a gyroscope so that if the machine is moved/tilted, it will lock out the machine.
We've made numerous calls to Mori and they refuse to give us the access codes to unlock them or bypass them.
Machining is not new to us. We have many types in our shop. Makino, Brother, Fadal, Okuma and now the Mori's however these Mori's are the only machines that have this lock out circuit.
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Drawings for Maho MH600E
My mill is starting to come together now, and I have been able to run it.
But I have a serious oil leak from the head (it is dripping out, and most of the oil in the head is gone in a couple of weeks). And on top of that the window for checking the oil level is cracked so it's more or less impossible to see anything in there and verify if the oil level is ok or not. And I don't know how to get it out and if spares are available.
I have taken off the head and started to take it apart. But it stops before I'm able to get to the inner parts of it. It stops because I don't dare to use more force to take it apart, and I don't know what parts to remove first and how. So the problem is that there are no type of drawings to indicate how things are built up in there and what the correct way to do this is. I have all (I think) of the original drawings and manuals that came with the machine. But there is nothing like a drawing to show how the head is built up, so I have no clue on how to take it apart to fix it.
BTW, I was able to take of the top part and see the splines on the top. And after finding everything I have to unfasten to make the quill move I discovered that there is quite a lot of rust in there. It came out with the oil I sprayed it down with when cleaning it as best I could. So ideally I would like to take it apart to be able to lubricate and preserve all parts in there. Most of this machine has been in need of some lubrication and cleaning to be put back in to good working order. And I suspect the spindle to be the same. But I have no drawing of what it looks like, and no search online have brought anything.
And the quill doesn't seem to have been moved for ages. The seal on the bottom of the quill was all just a sticky mess that came off in small pieces when I tried to move it. I'm not sure if this is where the oil is leaking out, but if it is I'm sure it's not the only place. There is oil around the parts where the oil drain screw is, so it seems to seep out from the input shaft as well. Or at least in that area.
The timer has 39 000 hours on it as well, and I don't know if the main bearings are replaced. If not it would possibly be a good idea to replace them. But for that I would absolutely need the drawings. And proper designation for the bearings as well.
Does anybody have drawings of this machine, the head in particular? If so I would be willing to pay (a fair amount) for it if needed. It is a shame it's not part of the original documentation (as it is with many other machines I have seen). It makes servicing our machines more difficult and risky. I think this head is used on many of the machines made at that time (1990), so I hope someone with a similar machine would be willing to share their drawings if they have them.
Anders
But I have a serious oil leak from the head (it is dripping out, and most of the oil in the head is gone in a couple of weeks). And on top of that the window for checking the oil level is cracked so it's more or less impossible to see anything in there and verify if the oil level is ok or not. And I don't know how to get it out and if spares are available.
I have taken off the head and started to take it apart. But it stops before I'm able to get to the inner parts of it. It stops because I don't dare to use more force to take it apart, and I don't know what parts to remove first and how. So the problem is that there are no type of drawings to indicate how things are built up in there and what the correct way to do this is. I have all (I think) of the original drawings and manuals that came with the machine. But there is nothing like a drawing to show how the head is built up, so I have no clue on how to take it apart to fix it.
BTW, I was able to take of the top part and see the splines on the top. And after finding everything I have to unfasten to make the quill move I discovered that there is quite a lot of rust in there. It came out with the oil I sprayed it down with when cleaning it as best I could. So ideally I would like to take it apart to be able to lubricate and preserve all parts in there. Most of this machine has been in need of some lubrication and cleaning to be put back in to good working order. And I suspect the spindle to be the same. But I have no drawing of what it looks like, and no search online have brought anything.
And the quill doesn't seem to have been moved for ages. The seal on the bottom of the quill was all just a sticky mess that came off in small pieces when I tried to move it. I'm not sure if this is where the oil is leaking out, but if it is I'm sure it's not the only place. There is oil around the parts where the oil drain screw is, so it seems to seep out from the input shaft as well. Or at least in that area.
The timer has 39 000 hours on it as well, and I don't know if the main bearings are replaced. If not it would possibly be a good idea to replace them. But for that I would absolutely need the drawings. And proper designation for the bearings as well.
Does anybody have drawings of this machine, the head in particular? If so I would be willing to pay (a fair amount) for it if needed. It is a shame it's not part of the original documentation (as it is with many other machines I have seen). It makes servicing our machines more difficult and risky. I think this head is used on many of the machines made at that time (1990), so I hope someone with a similar machine would be willing to share their drawings if they have them.
Anders
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