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1991 Maho MH700S Tool changing/ Tool list problem

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Hello all!

My company has a 1982 Maho MH700C and two months ago they've decided to buy a 1991 MH700S CNC432. They've thought the interface and other stuff would be the same as the older one. As it turns out it is not even close. I'm a mechanical engineer. I've no knowlegde about these cnc machines. Instead of leaving it lying there i gave it a shot. I found this awesome forum and most of the problems are gone now (thanks to you). But one last thing. Tool changer. It has 60 magazine but i only use one. I made a tool list. T1 M6 is ok. but T... M6 gives P117 error "tool not in magazine at M6". I've tried everything i can but no results. Cannot install the tool from the spindle either. Also in tool memory section when i press "Menu" there is only "4. Tool lenght monitor" I cant see breakage monitor etc.

This is how I'm doing;

-Manual
-Tool Mem
-T... P... L... R... E1... E2...
-Store

or

-Manual
-Tool Mem
-Soft Key F4 (P-Edit)
-Soft Key F3 (Insert)
-T... P... L... R.... E1... E2...
-Soft Key F3 (P-in)
it looks for the tool in the magazine. When it finds, it says "Placed"

These two ways create a line in the "T-Dir" but i cannot select any of them.

Could you please help me? If you ask something maybe i cannot find the right words but i can send pictures.

(I know i've made many mistakes like wrong definition, explanation etc.. in this post. As i said I've no knowledge about cnc and limited English. I'm really sorry about it.)

Mori X series

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Hello,

What's y'all think of the Mori Seiki X series machine? We our in the process of buy an lathe and horizontal and rep is really pushing the NLX and the NHX and I'm just not sure about it. They have to be cheaper for a reason cause if not they would stop the old models NL and the NH.

The only difference I can see is that the NH has dual ball screws where the NHX doesn't. The rep did say the NH would be better is your doing stainless steel or hard stuff all the time. I also noticed that the NH comes in 8,000 or 14,000 rpm where the NHX comes in 12,000 or 20,000 rpm. I would like 20k spindle for the aluminum but not sure how it would do on steel and stainless. As for the lathe I see no difference that I read.

Would like some feedback!

Vince

DMC 635 V Eco Opinions?

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Anyone have any time/experience with the Mori DMC 635 V Eco series of machines?

Our use is going to be relatively low volumes production (5-6 SKUs, with batches of 100-200 parts per month or so). These are sort of niche parts for our market that we want to get out the door and see if they fly; larger scale production will move to a machine shop we work with. We also simply wish to have the ability to cook up our own prototypes and specialty widgets... so we think it's time to get a CNC mill.

Called the local Mori Seiki guys, thinking the Milltap 700 might fit our needs perfectly, until we heard the price was about 35% higher than I originally figured it would be. He suggested one of the DMC Eco machines may fit our needs perfectly. He said the DMC 1035v with some decent options was ~$95k. Looking at the online info, I'm thinking the 635 might be perfectly suited for us, and likely a bit less money.

Our parts are all small, all 6061 and very few features with a tolerance tighter than 0.005". I'm positive anything with the name "DMG/Mori Seiki" is a bit overkill, but the local support for them is pretty fantastic, I can get help on them from my machine shop buddies (who run Mori machines exclusively) and I want something that will hold quality/value over the next 5 years or so.

Thoughts?

Chuck stroke end detection valid/ invalid

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Hi all,
On my zl-203 mori with MSG-501 fanuc driven controller the chuck stroke end detection (valid/invalid) function isn't turned on. Is this an option that needs to be built in? Or simply a switch of a parameter? Thanks guys!

Maho 600E2 - Dynamic following error - Y09

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Hi everyone,

I am the owner of a MAHO 600E2, (year 1989), equipped with a toolchanger and an optional 4th axis Indexer. The axes have been switched on this machine, so the Y axis is the horizontal spindle axis.

The machine has been working fine, but I occasionally receive error Y09 (“dynamic following error”, “schleppfehler”). The error can appear at any position along the axis.

I first assumed it was the glass scale so I took it apart and cleaned thoroughly with isopropanol, both scale and reader. Also, checked all connectors and cleaned with electronic spray. However, the error remained.
The error is not consistent, and mostly appears after an hour or so. The machine can be standing still with hydraulics on, but I still get the error after a while. The somewhat unpredictable appearance of the error puzzles me.
The machine can also fault out by “freezing” the Y axis, while still possible to jog the X (horizontal) and Z (vertical) axis.
Turning off the machine clears the error. However, once it has appeared it is easier to recreate upon restart.

Setting machine constant 81 to show the dynamic following error, shows values of +/- 0.001 mm. However, when the Y axis “freezes” it stops at around 0.030 mm.
I assume there is some fault either in the measuring system, the measuring card, the servo drive or the motor. Checked the EXE-platine (impulsformer) by switching input/output between the X and Y axis, but the error still showed up for Y so at least that part is excluded.

I am planning to swap the TDM AC servo drives between the X and Y axes, and perhaps also do the same for the measurement cards since they seem to be the same types.
Does this sound like a reasonable approach?

I would be thankful for any ideas on how to further isolate the problem, or where it could be coming from.

Regards,
Stefan

Mori SL-204?

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I need to do some rotary broaching and would like to know how much thrust the SL-204 has in the Z-axis. Does anyone here know, or can point me in the right direction to finding out?

Thanks!

anybody know what "P183 max. Niveau Chipconveyor" likely means?

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anybody know what "P183 max. Niveau Chipconveyor" likely means?

My attempts to translate "Niveau" with various web tools don't make sense. (Is it German? French?):confused:

The rest of the error block says its from the PLC, and has an index of 3031 (for whatever that means.)

Machine is DMG DMU60 with iTNC530.

[Futzing the chipconveyor settings in the obvious ways don't always make it go away.]

thx
bmw

Philips 432 Software

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Hi from LYON

i write to you because i'm searching desperately a copy of the software 6702.703/01 of a philip 432 on a maho mh600e .
Lightning had destroy some components on CPU card, i've repaired it, but EPROM N° 6 seem to be corrupted .
The only soft that i have (6701.703) doesn't work correctly .
i ask DMG France for news EPROM, but they don't now if DMG Germany sell this item yet . And if they sell it, it will be probably a DMG price .
I have no answer for the moment, and we must use the machine before end of june => i must repair it quickly .
So i need help : if anyone have this software, I will pay for it
if you dont know how to copy it, i can send you an my EPROM R/W and help you to do this (with a video), it is very easy
If you have a computer with a parallel port and windows 2K, XP or 7, it will working
Or perhaps, you have a friend (electronician) which can to the job .
the only inconvenient is that you will loose Machine Constant (but tou can save them on a computer before, and reload them after)
the advantage is that you'll save your firmware on a computer => if your cpu card is damaged in the future, no problems, your firmware can be burn on new eproms or flash memories .

Best Regards
Hervé

Philips 432 version

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Hi, I have a MAHO 600C and I can't figure out how to determine the exact version of my Philips 432 control. How can I determine if it is a 432/9 or a 432/10 control?

"Alarm in teaching mode"( load monitoring

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Hi, this is on a mori NL 2500, controls are 850 I believe, I'll double check. Getting that alarm in teaching mode. Anybody know why? Who? When? What? I'm stumped

error E180 on mahomat 600

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Hi,

I recently purchased a mahomat 600 with plilips 432 control and software version: 6702.700/5.
Thanks to all the friendly people on this forum I allready cleared alot off errors but this one seems to keep on the machine.

When I try to bring the tool changer to its reference point (teach in, t1, enter, start) i get an intervention I/O error E180 which is "no mag. sw. > running time checkb." According to another thread I tried clearing the error with M77 which doesn' t help. I also changed constants 1020,1090,1091,1092 back to zero and restarted and put in the right values again but the error stays. Another thing I tried is setting the spindel right with M19. No luck.

When I look in the electrical diagram I can see a switch located behind the motorwheel of the tool changer and it has a red led burning. What should I do?

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at the right hand side is the switch and behind the wheel there is another one which has a red led burning.

Thanks in advance, kind regards, Joeri
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Seiki Mill

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Hello,
I have to opportunity to acquire a Seiki mill (don't know the model number, other than it has a ~50" table. He mentioned that it could be a Seiki XL, but he really couldn't remember). Comes from a local fab shop that definitely didn't use it full time, but probably put some hours on it. They thought it was about 20 years old. I haven't seen it yet, but was told that the spindle (or something) is locked up tight on it, can't budge it with a 3' pipe wrench. No DRO or power feeds, but the price is right (free). I know this isn't much to go on, but do you think it'd be worth fixing up? Are some models best to avoid?

Thanks for any advise,

Jack

Hitachi Seiki HT 20

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Hi all,

I have been on this forum for a while but have never delved into CNC....until now.

I recently purchased an Hitachi Seiki HT 20 lathe for a price I could not refuse. The guy I bought it off used it for machining industrial plastics. It seems the company he got it from used it to machine wood as there is a fine coating of saw dust everywhere. If this is a good or bad thing I'm not sure.

It does operate and have seen so before I purchased it. What was explained to me was that the coolant system had been disconnected for reasons unknown.

I have some manuals, a parts list for an NK 20 and wiring diagram for an HT 20. I was wondering if the learned people on here could help me with some of the following to get the old girl up to scratch.

By the way the operating system is Fanuc 3T-F.

Firstly the X axis is a little noisy but operates well. I will post a video of this when I get a chance.

The coolant system has two pumps. One is for the turret etc and the other seems to be for the spindle? Please see the attached pic. It no longer has a coolant tank and the hoses have been disconnected and the larger diameter one cut.



It has also had some robotics fitted at some stage in the form of a loader/unloader. Is it worthwhile removing the electronics and pneumatics for this or should I just leave it alone?









Lastly the auto lube system does not work. Until I power it up I can't say what might be wrong. Are these known for failure?

Thank to all who can offer some direction.

Joe.

All drives failing on my Maho MH600E

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All,

I have now spent the last 6 months refurbishing and fixing the sheet metal and other mechanical parts of my Maho MH600E. The decision to do so was based on the fact that I was able to get everything with drives, spindles and controller up and running after spending years fixing them.

Then, last night when trying to fit on some of the last parts it started to happen…..

First it was next to impossible to get the door safety relays to work. Not still sure what happened to them, but at some point I was able to get them to work as they should, and was able to get the controller to start.
So for homing axes. This is when one after the other of the axis drives started to act strange. First time I tried to home the axis it started moving, but after about 100 mm it failed with Y09, I05 error. After restarting the machine I decided to home just one axis at a time. I wasn't sure if the z axis was on its limit switch so I decided to manually move the axis out so I was sure it wasn't tripping the limit switches. Then I made a new attempt to home the z axis. And again I got error: Y 09, I05. As far as I know this is an error that means the drive isn't able to move the servo, or the servo isn't moving as expected. I know the axis is moving freely as I just turned it by hand. So it's not something mechanically stopping it from moving.
So I restarted the machine once more, and started the controller and was able to engage the drives. Then I tried to move the axis by hand while the drive was engaged, which should make it "fight back" and try to make it stay where it was. But to my surprise it wasn't hard to turn it, and I was able to move it. This again made it fail with Y 07, I05, idle position fail (not exactly sure if the translation, my manual is in German).
I did check the tachometer by turning the axis by hand and watching the LED's on the drive flash as expected.
Then I started expecting driver failures and tried to find out what drives had failed. One clue I noticed is that the motor had stopped "singing" like they normally do. I know the motors starts to "sing" a rather unpleasant ~2.5kHz tone when the drives are engaged. Having looked at the signals going to the servos that aren’t surprising. At one point I thought it was something wrong, so I found my scope and started to look at the signals at the output. But I soon realized this is square wave BLDC servos, and that this singing was a result of this. Like this photo (0.1 ms/div 50V/div):


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Anyway, the servos on the axes who had failed had stopped singing. But at this point I was beyond curious on what had just happened, and needed to know if the last axis (the X-axis) was able to move at all as well. So I restarted the machine and was able to get the drives engaged again. And I checked that the x-axis servo was singing and started to home it. But also this axis halted and gave me X 09, I05. So by now all my servo drives were "dead", although no errors were shown on them and all the expected LED's on them were on. I was still able to get them engaged, and I checked turning the axis again by hand to check if it was trying to control it or not. And I found it was holding it vaguely, only enough to give it a feeling of sticking a bit more than when the drives are off. After pulling it past the set threshold for failing it let it go and gave me X07, I05 as expected.
Not sure what to do I decided to pull out the scope again and see what the drives were putting out. And I was surprised to see that they were now putting out a more or less triangular wave about 100V p2p.
The voltage at normal is about +/- 200V (400V p2p), and is more like a square wave with very rough top and bottom as can be seen on the first photo. Not sure about the frequency, but I think it is approx. the same as previously (about 2-2.5 kHz). I took a picture of the waveform with my iPhone (not sure about time/div, but it is still 50V/div).
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At this time I started looking in to other causes for this. After all it's strange for 3 drives to fail like this unless there is something common that is causing this. I measured the voltage on the 300V DC buss. And it was ~326V DC. A bit high yes, but it is as low as I'm able to get it since the voltages are higher now than when these drives were made. On the 220V input on the KDV I measured 236V AC (within the allowed +/- 15%).

Anyway, by now I was even more frustrated and started to look for other causes of the fault, and ways to fix it. So when looking at the drives I noticed they all had a reset button. I assumed this could be a way to try to get the drives back in to working as expected. So I tried pushing it (X-axis first). This was while the drives were engaged (which might be a bad idea?, not sure, but I was rather desperate by this time). This tripped the e-stop immediately.

The sad result of this was that now I'm no longer able to get the machine out of e-stop. The cause of this seems to be the KDV2.1 power supply. It's no longer closing the relay Bb to verify its working, so I'm beginning to expect something is wrong with this. I checked the +24V and the +/-15V and they are ok.
Now only the Aux voltage LED is on, not the Power OK. But I expect this to be correct as it's not receiving power on the main input.

When I refer to the manual in regards to Bb not closing it says: Cause 1: There is a fault in one of the drives. The other option is a fault in the ribbon cable, but I don’t expect this. But I will check it to verify.
I'm surprised that this fails now and not when the drives started to behave strangely. It was only after I tried to press reset on the drives that this happened.
I don't remember the exact details anymore, but I do remember it sounded like a small relay inside the Y-axis was tripped when I pressed the reset button on it (which was after pressing reset on the X-axis that caused the e-stop). And from what I read in the manual it should be possible to press the reset button when signal power is on. But I wasn't able to figure out if it's bad to press it while main power is on and the drive is engaged.

I'm reading the manual now (I don't have access to the machine now since I'm at work), and as far as I understand the Bb on the KDV is taking the Bb signal from all the drives and adding it to its own. And when I take a look at the pictures I took of the drives before I pressed the reset button they had all Bb LED on, meaning there was no errors in the drives (as far as the internal diagnostic goes anyway). I don't have pictures of the drives from after this so I don't know if they are on still. But this will be the first ting to check when I get back home. It’s just that I have to make it close the Bb relay to power it….. I just hope it’s not all the drives that have failed and needs to be fixed/replaced.

When reading further I also noticed that the RF LED should be on. On the picture I have it's not lighting up on any of the drives, which is indicating that the drive isn't getting a signal to RF. I have to investigate this as well.... This is all starting to get really messy. Of course I didn't note whether these LED's were on or off before the failures started to appear. And now I'm not able to get them to turn on because the Bb won't close....

This is so frustrating! I have spent months and months putting all the time I have available (since before Christmas) in to refurbishing this machine believing the electrical parts of it was finally fixed (which took me even longer!). And now when I'm just about to make my first proper tests on the machine this happens..... AAAARRRGH! :bawling:

Does anybody have a clue about what is happening to my machine and why? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Anders
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DMG DMU 50 Max tool diameter

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The manual for our 5 axis DMU 50 states that the largest permissible tool diameter is 5.1inch (130mm). When we attempt to use the Blum laser to measure a 5inch diameter saw the measuring routine completes but reports 'Faulty Tool Data'. If we try a 4inch diameter saw all works properly. Finally, if we attempt to enter a value in the tool table larger than 2.3inch radius, the measuring routine will not execute and the control complains about the tool data.

Does anyone know the actual largest diameter that is acceptable? We assume this is a parameter setting, but have been unable to find anything in the documentation. Thanks in advance for any info.

Fred

Need M codes for a mori seiki lathe.

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Hello everyone. I'm running a new machine, well not brand new but new to me. It's a Mori Seiki SL-200 lathe featuring twin opposed spindles and twin tool turrets. The programing and operating manuals we have are falling apart. I need a list of the M codes that I can post up next to the control of the machine (until I get them memorized). Could probably use a list of the G codes to if anyone has it. Thanks

Mori Seiki

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I have a Mori Seiki DL-20, Mfg. no. 4 and manufacturing year 12/1989. Can anyone supply me with the parameters for this machine?

Thanks in advance,
fl7464

Mori Seiki Leaking Chuck

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We have a vintage SL-4 Mori Lathe which is leaking oil from the chuck jaws. I followed some web suggestions and made sure the return lines for the oil to the pump were not blocked. This did not help. The serial number on the chuck is HA8-11 III. I'm not really sure who makes this chuck and even less sure about the cylinder which I think is the culprit as far as the leaking is concerned. Does anyone have any suggestions how to approach this problem?

-Thank, Jim

nmv5000/8000?

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Looking to purchase a 8000 anybody have one and if they can give me feed back positive or negative
Thanks for your help Aaron

I'm missing parts of the sheet metal on my Maho MH600E

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All,

I’m now in the finishing stages of restoring my 1990/91 vintage Maho MH600E.

And one of the things I have been putting off for a long time now is replacing the missing cabinet piece on the back of the machine. The previous owner had started to disassemble the machine, and started from the back.
The problem now is that one piece of sheet metal is nowhere to be found, so I have to replace it by making a replacement. It is the ~0.5 meter wide full height plate in the back that is covering the hydraulics and the back of the spindle. It is also the plate that the door on the back to access the backside of the machine is hinged on to. The quite wide door that is at an angle to the other plates (the bottom half of that angled part).
This is where it gets tricky. The adjacent pieces aren’t easily mounted without this piece, so it’s difficult to know the exact size. It’s also difficult to know exactly how it is made in regards to how it’s fastened to the other parts.

I have been looking online to see if I can find pictures that will help me decide how to make this replacement. But it proves to be difficult. This part of the machine is of almost no interest to people (which is also understandable), so there is nothing to find that is of any use to me out there.
My friend who has helped me with a lot of other issues with my machine can’t help because his machine is an 800, and is built in a totally different way all around.

The biggest issue is that the large door to access the back of the machine is hinged on this part, so I need to know how the details in regards to this looks like. This is also why it’s important to have this piece made relatively sturdy as well. So I guess it’s going to take some effort to make it from scratch. In particular the hinges will require a lot of effort….. I think I might have to replace them with new hinges as complete units.

Several of the dimensions are easy to figure from the other parts, but there are some that would be better to have someone measure on a complete machine.

The most important dimension to know is the width of this plate. The height is given I guess, as well as the depth of the angles on the sides that is used to attach it to the rest. And the details on how this plate is bent to be attached at the bottom are also a bit mysterious to me. How is it attached to the plate the hydraulic system is attached to? There is a screw that indicates it’s attached to the back plate, but I don’t know how.
But I’d like to see a proper picture of a similar machine to verify what it looks like in detail.

So if anyone with a similar machine could take some pictures and send them to me I’d be really grateful!
The most important parts to get pictures of are the details around the hinges for the door. And the best thing would be if the door could be taken off for some shots as well so it’s easy to see how it’s done without the door in the way. I would hope it’s easy to remove the door, just lift out the pins in each of the two hinges.

I realize this isn’t a very common problem, and it’s therefore possibly not so much of interest to others. So it might be an idea to send me the pictures directly. It would also make it easier to send large pictures with more details. PM mee for my email adress.

So I just hope someone is willing to help me out here.

Anders
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